Previous Comments

[1] On May-11-2005, Peter the Freshman wrote:

I noticed a few of these auctions, too... and that cover is horrendous. Definitely not up to Chip Kidd's standards. Let's cross our fingers and hope that the production version looks nothing like this.

[2] On May-11-2005, Matthew wrote:

They're just copyproofs... It's unlikely that any first edition will have the exact same cover. But who really cares anyway? It's a book, the text is what matters. I'm sure I don't have to mention the old saying about books and covers.

[3] On May-11-2005, mitch wrote:

I kind of agree with Matthew but I actually think the copyproof cover looks pretty cool. I mean it could be worst just as I guess it could be better. Not a bad start though. I was nervous about this book but the more we talk about it I actually think it might be good. Of course we'll all see if we are right once we read it. But you know what there is so much shit in the fiction world right now Lunar Park looks like the only thing worth reading.

[4] On May-11-2005, Sir A.D. wrote:

People selling these on the net are disrespectful.

//Lunar Park looks like the only thing worth reading.//

I hadn't thought about that, but I agree. And it's worth the waiting, I guess.

[5] On May-11-2005, betty elms wrote:

i must confess i acquired one of said purloined books and am midway through it now. :)

i will still buy a copy of the actual book on release day, of course, but i figured i waited seven years and that was enough. :)

[6] On May-11-2005, betty wrote:

i hate to say this, but so far, i'm disappointed with the book. the book is much more "commercial" (read - linear, plotted, and IMO, dry) than his previous works. almost as if written by another author. probably heavily edited.

it still has glimpses of genius but it's much different from his previous works, and much more "accessible," which makes me sad. was hoping for another "american psycho" or "glamorama" and so far it seems I got something much more garden variety.

having said that, being an ellis work, it's still fabulous. just not as fabulous as i had hoped.

[7] On May-11-2005, betty wrote:

Discussion topic for those who have read Lunar Park already. (read on for spoilers, do not read if you do not want a mild spoiler)

Is anyone else disappointed with the way the book seems to apologize for American Psycho?

[8] On May-11-2005, Gonzalo Espinoza Bravo wrote:

I need to read again to BBE
Very good site

[9] On May-11-2005, betty wrote:

i'm nearing the end now and am liking it better, but my original comments are still true - anyone else feel that the tone of this book is drastically different than his others? comments/feelings on this?

[10] On May-11-2005, Bret Schlyer wrote:

The tone is absolutely different in this book than Bret's other books. Interesting that you were disappointed in the middle but came around to the story by the end - I actually enjoyed the book a bunch until the very end.

[11] On May-11-2005, Jeff wrote:

I have read all of BEE's books and have enjoyed them. I have to say though, the cover for "Lunar Park" shown on this site looks like the cover for a bad Star Trek book.

[12] On May-11-2005, shit wrote:

Chill with the damn spoilers. I'd like to wait for it to actually come out. christ.

[13] On May-11-2005, big in japan wrote:

agreed. shut the hell up betty.

[14] On May-12-2005, Sir A.D. wrote:

+1

[15] On May-12-2005, Nick wrote:

Betty. Stop.

[16] On May-12-2005, mitch wrote:

Firstly: I don't care if you have the book (lucky you!) but don't tell me what is happening in it or even talk about what is different and new in the book. I also see no point in posting it on this website. Do you realize that you are soiling it for other people. What is the reason you are posting it on the website? Is it tick and piss us off? I hope not.

Secondly: I am sure Lunar Park is different from Ellis but you know what I think maybe that is good. We need something new and fresh from Ellis not his usuall Ellis formula. I still love his blank effect writing but I hope he has more to say than the same things to say. I just hope the book is original. I need to read something I that I would never read from anybody else.

[17] On May-12-2005, betty wrote:

Jesus! Calm down, everyone. I DID post a spoiler warning, and I was very careful not to give away any plot points. I was basically just posting my opinions of the tone and style of the book. You don't need to read my messages if you don't want to know my feelings on them. I am simply excited to talk about the book after waiting SEVEN YEARS, and thought this might be the place to do it. If it's not, is there anyone here who is not quite so touchy who can point me in another direction for similar discussion? Thanks much.

PS bret - what did you think of the book overall, compared to his earlier works? if you'd rather not post here, I'd love to discuss, and you can email me at the address above. I often forget that usually BEE's books take awhile to sink in and I get more and more from them after repeated readings, so I will see how it all digests the second time.

[18] On May-12-2005, betty wrote:

one more thing...

the reason i am posting this here is not to "piss" anyone off...but because i found some discussion here by people who had read the book, and was excited to find a place where i thought i could actually engage in discussions about the book with other ellis fans. i am pretty disappointed, and surprised, at the level of hostility of the responses here.

[19] On May-12-2005, big in japan wrote:

Betty, I think the reason you're facing so much hostility is not so much that you're a woman, as you suggested on another thread, but that we've waited 7 years for this book to come out too and don't want it ruined by some stupid spoiler 2 months before it finally comes out. I'll be happy to discuss the contents with you once I've read it but until then, get back in the kitchen and shut your yapper.

[20] On May-12-2005, steve wrote:

Fantastic, could not have said it any better. Fully agree.

[21] On May-13-2005, Le Pied wrote:

Get back in the kitchen ?
I hope this is ironic...

[22] On May-13-2005, Chris Fabulous wrote:

Hey The Foot, go take your unbathed ass back to France and watch a Jerry Lewis movie, you snobby bastard.

CF

[23] On May-13-2005, John wrote:

lighten up everyone!! (supposedly) we are all fans... no need to attack one another. rude and condescending posts like those from chris fabulous (??) and big in japan are totally uncalled for. i (too) am jealous that others (betty and bret) have already read the book... but there is no need to verbal abuse them if they want to share some initial thoughts. after all, this site is a BEE celeblog...

[24] On May-13-2005, BIJ wrote:

John, I think I made it quite clear that I was not jealous about people having read the book but dismayed that those same people (Betty) were releasing information about it prematurely. Surely, you and Le Pied can understand this gripe. If not, maybe you should both visit Ryan Seacrest's blog the next time you venture out of your bathhouse instead of coming here. And Betty, get me a Banana Cognac biatch.

[25] On May-14-2005, Chris Fabulous wrote:

For supposedly intelligent people that are fans of a saterical author, some of you guys sure have trouble understanding sarcastic jokes.

CF

[26] On May-15-2005, mathias wrote:

i have not read the book.
i just want to say that if people do not want to read spoilers then why are they reading comments on the ebay version of a book that is not released yet? i mean, what are they expecting to find here? seriously.

having said that, it is probably good with some change in style from ellis, both for us as fans and for him as a writer. i assume he needs to be challenged as a writer just as we need to be challenged as readers. and none of that will happen with "the-same-old-thing".

cheers.

[27] On May-15-2005, BIJ wrote:

What was I exptecting to find, you ask? Well Assthias, something more along the lines of this:

Crowded India Cities Face Conflict With Cows
By DAVID GUTTENFELDER, Associated Press Writer
Sat May 14, 8:35 PM ET

NEW DELHI - In largely Hindu India, where many animals are revered as sacred, the cow has always held a special place.

"If someone were to ask me what the most important outward manifestation of Hinduism was, I would suggest that it was the idea of cow protection," Mohandas K. Gandhi, India's great teacher of nonviolence, once wrote.

But as urban India grows more crowded, cattle are an increasing problem.

In New Delhi, which 13 million people share with an estimated 28,000 cows, the problems are legion: Wandering cows clog streets and cause road accidents. Herds of cows spread trash and disease as they tear open plastic garbage bags in search of food and leave trails of dung. They sometimes trample people to death.

So in early May, the New Delhi high court ordered the removal of stray cattle from the city's streets.

Fanning out across the capital, city workers backed by riot police began roping and hauling cows off in trucks to a suburban pound. Some people applauded. Others, who venerate the cows or make their livelihood by milking the stray animals at unregistered dairies, protested.

Days after the roundup began, cows could still be seen all across the city.

Gentle respect for the lives of all animals has been a principle belief of Hinduism since its emergence some three milleniums ago.

But the sacred cow has a special role in Hindu mythology. Some trace cow worship back to Lord Krishna, who is said to have first appeared as a cowherd and protector of cattle. Several other gods also lived for a time as cows, and the animals remain a powerful symbol of the religion.

Hindu nationalist political parties have often used cows to further their political goals, and one raises money by making traditional medicines and cosmetics from key cow products — butter, milk, curd, urine and dung.

Cows are also protected by law in India.

Free-roaming cattle share public spaces with humans. They loiter in the entries of Hindu temples, nap on the medians of highways and mingle among vendors in city markets.>>>>>>

Imagine my surprise when instead of that, I find Betty the Housewife and the Bathhouse Boys quoting the new book word for word. It's really starting to get old. So if we could please stop with the spoilers and get back on the topic of rabid cows spreading trash and disease in India, I think we'd all be getting along a lot better.

[28] On May-16-2005, SirA.D. wrote:

I'm completely aghast. Rabid cows...

Okay,
First of all, I apologize since I didn't mean to be rude. As a matter of fact I did not read the spoiler (thanks for warning) but I thought that in this thread we could discuss what we expected and anticipated about LP, not what was actually in the book. I know we've all been waiting so long, but I still don't like spoilers. My opinion is that the title of this thread might not be accurate enough. -> Bret, why not create a special LP/spoiler inside/thread where those who have read the novel can discuss it more in depth,or a LP speculations thread for those of us who haven't read it?
And just, y'know, chill down... ;)

[29] On May-16-2005, mathias wrote:

ASSthias? You gotta love it.

[30] On May-16-2005, Bret Schlyer wrote:

I'm not going to create a spoiler thread yet because I don't want to have a bunch of advance info about the book on the site. When the release gets closer, I'll probably do it though.

I'm not sure what all the hubub is about spoilers here though. Betty gave a warning, but didn't actually post a spoiler - she gave a general opinion of what she had read so far and asked a question about an impression she had gotten from the novel. No plot points, certainly no direct citations from the book.

This just seems like a big deal has been made over nothing.

[31] On May-16-2005, ASSthias wrote:

word!
three more words:
bovine spongiform encephalopathy...
also, BIJ is obviously a SMALL insecure twat!!

[32] On May-16-2005, Gemma wrote:

I concur. Anyone who names themselves after an 80's pop song by Alphaville needs to get a life.

[33] On May-16-2005, John wrote:

big in japan, eh? lol!!!!!!!

[34] On May-16-2005, Mike Oxenbalz wrote:

This thread seems to have gotten off topic. Its like my granddaddy used to say, "If you are out hunting armadillo all day and you ain't catch nothing but some cactus needles, then you ain't hunting, your cathing. I think that is what Big in Japan and Chris Fabulous like to do in their spare time, catch. You know what I mean-wtf?

[35] On May-16-2005, Ellis Fan wrote:

I have read LP too and want to discuss it. Can we put up a spolier thread or else we'll have to do it here... you can't stop progress!

[36] On May-16-2005, big in japan wrote:

Oxball, I heard your granddaddy caught something on one of those hunting trips too, only it wasn’t cactus needles but syphilis from one of the armadillos.

John, I'm assuming lol is gay speak for Licks On Limpcock.

Gemma, I hadn't heard the song but was glad you took the time to google my name. I googled yours as well and was not surprised to discover that Gemma was the Greek God of all homosexuals.

Assthias, nuff said.

Thanks for all your concern.

-BIJ

[37] On May-16-2005, Chris Fabulous wrote:

Mike, I have no idea what you mean.

CF

[38] On May-17-2005, Confused Fan wrote:

So, wait... were all of those manuscript "leaks" that were posted on this website, like, five months ago actually real? Could Bret's scan of that pathetic, lame type-written "Lunar Park" supposed title page possibly have been legit? God, I sure hope not! As a full-time cynic I have spent many, many hours thinking about this and posting about just how impossible it would be for someone to have read this book (which I still don't even believe actually exists) all the back in October 2004. I refuse to accept any of this.

[39] On May-17-2005, Kyle wrote:

You don't even believe that it's on Amazon and everything?

[40] On May-17-2005, Mike Oxenbalz wrote:

Chris Fabulous-that makes me laugh even to write it. Here is what I mean, it is obvious that you have male "adequacy" issues, you know what I mean-wtf. Either that or you are a 12-year old girl or you are a wanna be pretty-boy wrestler. Those are the only 3 logical explanations for nicknaming yourself Chris Fabulous.

So what don't you, the stupid Frenchy , and the mouthy woman from above start your own little chat and leave the rest of us alone.

[41] On May-17-2005, Jeff wrote:

People, this is suppose to be a discussion board about BEE's new book. Stop bickering and arguing about meaningless bullshit.

[42] On May-17-2005, Mike Oxenbalz wrote:

Big In Japan, your moniker makes sense to me now. I cracked the code you are using: Big is code for 'I like my large hairy cellmate to anally ', in is code for 'invade', and Japan is code for 'me'.

Now I know the message you were trying to get across, dickbag.

[43] On May-17-2005, jamesg wrote:

those were the lamest insults i've EVER read guys. anyways, i'd like to grab one of these ARC's but $75 is just WAY too much.

[44] On May-17-2005, Matthew wrote:

Who woulda thought a quick e-mail mentioning that bound galleys of Lunar Park had started showing up on eBay could have caused such a stir... Heh.

[45] On May-17-2005, Chris Fabulous wrote:

I don't want to get in the middle of any kind of crazy pissing contest, real or pretend. I was just making light of the way that people can't tell the ironic and sarcastic from genuine hate speech. The real irony there actually turned out to be that so many people took what I posted as me being serious, as though it's believable that I fervently value all the lamest, most tired French stereotypes. I can’t imagine some of you guys understanding Ellis’ books if you can’t even understand my lame, dumbed-down reference to prejudice. “This Ellis guy is an asshole! I can’t believe he gets off on thinking about killing girls and putting their body parts in his refrigerator!” I’m just shaking my head right now. Weird.

CF

[46] On May-17-2005, BIJ wrote:

What planet am I on right now. Oxenball, I've met retarded chimps that are more articulate than you. Are you having a hard time typing legible sentences with your granddad's armadillo up your ass or what? I'll see you in hell motherfucker. And Betty, you better have that bannana cognac waiting for me when I get there bitch.

[47] On May-18-2005, Sir AD wrote:

J'hallucine. En fait j'ai trop l'impression de me retrouver à écouter un album de D12 (sauf que eux sont bien + ironiques qu'il n'y paraît et bien plus efficaces). Ou plutôt leurs sosies. Les gars, franchement, le but de ce forum c'est pas de se foutre sur la gueule. J'écris délibérément en français pour montrer qu'il y a des gens qui font l'effort d'écrire dans une autre langue pour participer quand même, alors que d'autres se font jeter sous prétexte qu'il sont je sais pas quoi. Et aussi pour voir les bonnes réactions qui vont en résulter, j'en doute pas et je me marre d'avance. Un de mes derniers messaages sur ce sujet.

This is irony for you guys. I'll stop here.

[48] On May-19-2005, ojkfga0pwkr9gh wrote:

No wonder Bret had stopped publishing books...

[49] On May-19-2005, Anton Pavia wrote:

I found this site hoping to get more information about Lunar Park. Subsequently, I just perused this thread. I would recommend to Bret Schlyer (great site, by the way) to moderate discussion threads better, or better yet, to set up some sort of free membership or login so fans have to sign-in (e-mail address/password/username, etc.) to participate in the forum. So if things get out of hand (like this thread), then posts can be censored if necessary, and unprofessional individuals such as Big In Japan (and posts by him/her) can be removed entirely. This will keep your site more credible. Thanks.

[50] On May-19-2005, Mike Oxenbalz wrote:

Listen, Pepe Lepu-I have no idea what you are talking about since I do not make it my business to learn the language of the spineless and the stinky. But I will play it safe and assume it was a message to your fellow countrymen that went something like "Everyone surrender, the Germans are coming".

PS-The Eiffel Tower sucks.

PSS-So does French Bread pizza.

[51] On May-19-2005, Big In Japan wrote:

Great point asston. If there's anything America needs, it's more censorship. I'm sure most Ellis fan's would agree with you there. And BEE's books would be much better if we took out everything you found inappropriate. I also like your login name idea, fantastic. You can be pretentiousprick#9877. The large number at the end is because there's already 9,876 assholes ahead of you at this site. I'm just kidding... about liking your ideas. While I'm sure they work well at www.asspleasurepalace.com, I don't think they'd pass muster here. But please, keep us posted on any other plans you've made for this blog, which isn't yours.

[52] On May-20-2005, SirAD wrote:

Translation

This is crazy. Actually I feel like I'm listening to a D12 parody. Except you all guys seem to be dead serious about it. But hey, I don't think the aim of this blog is to provide space for racist,homophobic,or insulting comments. I didn't come here to fight, I got better things to do. I'm writing this piece deliberately in French jsut to show that some people here are making the effort to write in a foreign language to share thoughts about something not so developped anywhere else, while others are lamely insulting participants for apparently no reason at all. I'm also writing in French just to check all the good feedback that it's going to raise. I'm pretty sure some jerk is going to take the piss, haha.
One of my last messages on this thread.

Enough. Or too much.